Saturday, January 12, 2013

WHO HURTS WORSE? Two perspectives of 'Hell'

PART II - Her Story.....

(Mrs. I Define Me here - whew~ ~ ~ helping Mr. IDM with Part I was truly draining, and now I am totally dragging my feet to buckle down and write my side, Part II.

*time passes~~~

I used to be a swimmer, so I guess I'll just dive in head first, ~~ here goes....

I was introduced to masturbation very early in my childhood.  It wasn't any body's 'fault', I discovered it quite naturally, probably like so many children do.  I literally can't even think of how old I might have been.  I know I was still in elementary school for sure.  I was cuddling near some warm blowing air, wrapped in a towel, after my bath, to get warm.  It was a completely innocent and surprising thing when I discovered some feelings that I had never felt before.  It took quite some time, months (maybe years), of little 'incidents' with myself  until, as I grew older, I began to plan ahead, and arrange these opportunities, and experiment, etc., when eventually I discovered the 'end' result of such exploration, and I had an orgasm....which blew my mind!  I did not know anything about sex, and I didn't understand what had happened, I just knew I liked it.  But,  I clearly had an 'instinct' that it was somehow 'wrong' or that it was a 'naughty' thing to do.  I had not learned of such things from any person, or tv show, or any 'outside' force in my life.  I had just discovered it on my own,  and I felt guilty on my own.  I definitely had no one in my life who would have made me feel that it was 'wrong' or 'bad', because I don't think anyone in my life would have ever guessed that I had discovered masturbation, let alone believed that I was 'indulging' in it at such an early age.

I, like my husband, also believe that it was the Light of Christ in me, as a child, that told me in some sort of unexplainable way, that I was 'playing with fire' (so to speak), and that it was not pleasing in God's sight.  Right from the start I determined that I should not do that again, but it was so very compelling, and felt so good, I often failed at my efforts to abstain.  I never told anyone, and, although I tried through the years to stop, and, at times, went for months and even years without an incident, I was never able to completely abstain, until I was in college and realized the truth, that this activity was detrimental to my soul.

By this time in my life, (late teens - early twenties), I felt 'out of control', and I desperately wanted to take control of my life.  I didn't like the guilt and the shame that I felt, and, as I grew to understand the truths about sexuality,  I  knew that this was something very special that needed to be 'saved' for the proper time and right person to share it with.  By the way, there was never an official birds and the bees 'sex talk' with my Mom or anything like that, although my Mom was practically the perfect Mom in almost every way.  Actually, I can't be sure, but I kind of think that because I was the youngest, and she was a very busy woman, she probably forgot who she'd talked to about what, - but that's ok.  And, if the truth were known, I'm not sure which of my children I talked with about sex either - which I feel bad about and wish that I would have done better.

During my teenage years, I had a steady boyfriend.  We 'basically' dated exclusively for a few years (against my parents best efforts to teach me to hold off on such serious dating - I just somehow wiggled out of their control).  Eventually, through the years, we slowly but surely worked our way from kissing, to petting, to finally 'going all the way' (as we called it back in the 70's - do they still say that now?).  So, basically, I was sexually active with my boyfriend (btw- not that it matters, but, he was a nice, responsible, hard working, smart, school leader, lovable, active LDS young man - who, incidentally, often blessed the sacrament on Sunday, even though he had been parking with me on that Saturday night just before).  My soap box here - I think that teenage sexuality and sexual activity is something that we, as a Christian society, need to open our eyes to, take more seriously, do more to educate our youth, and take our heads out of the sand.  Especially related to sexual orientation issues.  I do think we're much better than we used to be, but it's a big deal, and the adversary (Satan) has the media in his pocket, so we need to counter that with a big fight.  (I'm just sayin...) - end of soap box.

Anyway, we really did have a desire to 'be good', to stop messing around, and to save ourselves for each other, as we were sure we would eventually be married - (we were  SO IN LOVE! )  Well, we mostly failed at our efforts to abstain, and, to make a long story short...... our relationship didn't work out, (it was my fault), I found someone new, and eventually we had sex too.  Disclaimer >It wasn't really that I was a 'bad' girl, - I had never had a drink, (still haven't), never smoked, (still haven't), didn't do drugs, (still haven't), and I prayed daily, attended church, ,and basically obeyed every law you can name, ---but, I was definitely NOT the perfect 'Mormon' girl that I always hoped and wished I could be.

I did, however, always have a testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and basically tried to live a good life that would be pleasing unto the Lord, which I knew, and believed to be, the path to true happiness and peace.  When I was 17 years old, I went to my Bishop, repented of my pre-marital sexual activity, broke up with my boyfriend, and got myself back on the path that was more in line with the teachings of the gospel.  What an amazing blessing and discovery, as I learned the wonderful truth about the Atonement of my Savior, Jesus Christ.   I felt like a new person, and I found it quite easy to 'be good' and follow His teachings, but... I 'still' did, occasionally have a run in with Satan through masturbation until....

Eventually I was inspired to talk with a wonderful teacher, who I loved and trusted, from the Institute of Religion (from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints),  about my problems with masturbation.  He was amazingly understanding and kind and good, and he helped me to change my thought process, and to find the strength, through my Savior Jesus Christ, to stop this 'unhealthy' practice once and for all.  It was a great relief to my heart, mind, and soul, and I am so grateful for the spirit of the Holy Ghost which testified to me that it was wrong, and who also guided and strengthened me as I put my faith in God to help me improve my life.

Through this experience in my life, I have established a very strong testimony of the words in the scriptures stating that "our weaknesses shall become our strengths", because that is exactly how it turned out to be for me.  Although I tried not to ever pressure my husband to abstain from masturbation, because I know that it is a very personal and difficult thing, I did, however, occasionally bear testimony to him of my knowledge and experience, of the great relief it was to my soul when I stopped, and how I absolutely know that I am blessed with an ability to have amazing, completely fulfilling sex (with him) because of  abstaining from it, as well.

I tell this for two reasons - 1. because I think it's important to tell this 'hard' stuff in order to possibly help and inspire others.  and 2.  because I sorta believe that because of my experience with masturbation and premarital sex and repentance, that I was better able to understand, and have compassion for, my husband's problems and struggles too.

So, I have always been a sensitive person.  I can cry over a great song or a romantic 'commercial'.  I am extremely patriotic, but, most important to me, I am grateful that I am a very spiritual person.  I have always been prayerful, and I do feel like I have alot of faith.  God, and the gospel of Jesus Christ, are of great importance to me and have been throughout my life.  But, I have also always been very emotional.  In some ways, being emotional can be a 'good' thing, but I think in this post I will mostly be telling about how it has often been a 'bad' thing for me.

I remember as a child having to come home from school 'sick' although there was no specific illness apparent, I just felt sick inside, and I didn't understand it, but I remember and know that IT WAS REAL, and I could not function because of it. It might have been related to having my feelings hurt by someone or something, or maybe I was just overwhelmed with school in general.  I remember feeling 'bullied' by a few of my "friends'.  And, since I didn't have much of a competitive spirit, I was often uncomfortable in PE class (especially 'Dodge Ball' ! - that is cruel and unusual punishment to a kid, and the process of 'picking sides' should be outlawed - just my opinion - ;)  ).

I kind of have to laugh about this now, but I remember, as an elementary age girl, crying to my Mom and telling her "I think I'm going to have a nervous breakdown".   Maybe, sorta, in a way......I've always been a bit of  'an emotional wreck'.  Personally, and I may be wrong but, I don't see it as being 'a drama queen' but more of just possibly being 'overly sensitive'.  You'll see how this plays out throughout my life, and how it has definitely added to the trauma of my out of control marriage, and the 'dysfunctional' family that we were attempting to raise amidst great personal trials.

Just a side note here - I remember a time when I felt most in control of my life, and although, at that time,  I was lonely, a single mom, and desperate to feel valued and loved, but, I still recall great clarity and purpose and a sense of well being even through my trials and pain.  It was when Mr. IDM was serving his mission, I was writing to him weekly (and he wrote to me weekly as well), and I was faithfully writing in my journal.  Writing is definitely therapeutic to me, my Dad wrote a lot in journals as well, and I think that is why I am enjoying this 'blogging' experience so much, I love writing, and it is truly therapeutic for me.  So, Thank you!  my blog friends, for being my listening ear.  Even if you don't comment, I somehow know you're out there, and certainly I don't expect you to always (or ever) 'agree' with my thoughts, feelings, or beliefs - there's just something special about sharing my writing, it gives me a sense of 'value', and then, IF, you comment on, or agree with, or appreciate, what I've had to say... it's the icing on the cake. :)

Ok, so now that I've got you all cozied up to be my BFFs, I'm gonna tell you something that might blow your mind, and you might think I'm an idiot and fool....  But, please, cut me some slack and realize that I was truly naive about homosexuality back in the early 80's, and I was raised in a small, sheltered, Mormon community, in a home where what we watched on tv was carefully monitored, and where I literally had never, ever, heard of the word 'gay' until after I went to college.  And, even then, I was still in a small college town, which was a sheltered Mormon community as well.

So, after writing to Mr. IDM throughout his mission, we were definitely deeply in love, and shortly after he got home we got married.  On our honeymoon, we had good sex, and we had some wonderful and lovable times together, but somewhere along the second or third day (a couple of days before we were planning to go home), we had some disagreements, and I, being my typical emotional self, cried... and even spent some time crying in the bathroom of our hotel.  Something just wasn't right, and my husband turned off all quiet and said we needed to talk about something; and I could tell it was quite serious.   Here we were, finally together after his mission, so much in love, and on our honeymoon.   I couldn't imagine what was the 'big deal'.  We lay down together on our bed just to talk.  I pressured him to tell me what was going on, and he said, (pretty much these exact words), "I just think you should know that years ago, I spent some time at a relatives home in San Francisco,  and, well, you know San Francisco is where lots of gay people live and I got thinking about it back then, and so years ago, I kinda wondered if I was gay" (and he laughed - hahahaha - like 'wasn't that stupid of me?')......

Ok --- I KNOW - you're thinkin "YIKES", serious RED FLAG!!.  I know, - I know, ...  I can totally see that now, but, seriously, it absolutely and totally went right over my head at the time.  I just knew nothing about homosexuality, and I think that back then I assumed people chose to be gay or they 'went wacko' or something, and I absolutely 'KNEW'  that my husband, the missionary, who I'd been having sex with on our honeymoon, for the past couple of days, certainly WAS NOT GAY.

 I don't know why I didn't realize that he had made a whole big deal of cutting our honeymoon short and driving home with this heavy air of 'we need to talk' looming, and I still was seriously oblivious to the whole ordeal.  I just chalked it up to what I figured was 'a typical teenage guy thing', and I felt bad that my husband was even bothered by this old (probably one day of thought) thing that he experienced years ago.  I thought, "how silly", and we laughed it off.  And, it was literally NEVER spoken of again (for 10 years), and I completely forgot all about it within days, maybe within hours.  But... then 10 years later, when he told me about the meeting he'd attended for men who are gay, and I said, "do you think you're gay?" and he said "I am", it all came rushing back to me and blew my mind.

I'm sure some would say that I was one of those 'starry eyed' girls who just wanted desperately to be 'in love' and married;  well maybe, I really don't know and can't say.  I do know one thing, I don't feel that I was tricked or deceived.   I understand that my husband was just as confused as I was, and although he definitely knew that he was (is) a homosexual, and he certainly knew that he didn't make that clear, he was still hoping and praying that it was a 'phase' that  would surely leave, and that through marriage and time, his 'problem' would be 'fixed', and all would be well.  And, I have nobody to blame but myself for being so completely naive and blind to the writing on the wall. 

Anyway, it is what it is - and so here we are.  Yep, I'm completely embarrassed to tell this truth, especially now, knowing all that I know about homosexuality, with almost a phD in 'gay guys'.  Also, just to be clear,  I definitely did not intent to keep this part of our story out of this blog, I just knew that I wanted to tell about it in this very post where I planned to tell all the messy and foolish and 'bad' confessions about myself all at once.   ~~~~~it's gonna be a  looonnnggg post ~~~~ buckle up ;)

Throughout the first 10 years of our marriage we had alot of great times, a really good life, in many ways, and we enjoyed all the beginnings of a new life together.  Going to college, finding jobs, changing jobs, moving up, having babies, buying homes/cars/trucks/boats/'things', redecorating, landscaping, making friends, activity in the church, going to movies, trips and adventures, boating/ hunting/ fishing/ crafting/ sewing/ swimming, and the list goes on and on. We were very much in love, we were best friends, we had fun, and we got along quite well, most of the time. 

BUT... there was just this little glimmer of 'something missing' that was mostly not even noticeable, except for when we had disagreements or arguments, etc.  Sometimes I felt like my 'dreams' of that happily ever after and madly in love were just not exactly coming true, but,  I just kicked myself for being so selfish, unrealistic, and what I thought must just be a foolish wish for some 'fantasy world' that actually nobody really truly ever has.

When times were rough, I would feel like my husband was sort of drifting away from me on a boat, and I actually told him about these feelings one day, and I begged him to "please, jump ship and swim back to me".  I can't remember his exact response to my analogy and plea, (which I thought was quite clever and would probably be well received and have a big, positive, impact),  but, I remember that his response was empty and flat, and left me feeling anything but all warm and fuzzy inside, (which was the results I had hoped for).  I think that alot of the time, my efforts to communicate and grow closer were like I was a little puppy dog, do barking at the master's heels, running in circles, doing tricks, wagging my tail, hoping for attention and affirmation. Thinking back, it was sorta pathetic.  It reminds me of a scene in the movie "My Best Friend's Wedding", where I always get a sick feeling in my stomach when I watch it, where Julia Roberts has stolen a big delivery truck and is chasing the man she loves, but he is driving another vehicle chasing his fiance' (who he loves), and Julia's friend (who is on the phone with her) says to her, "he's chasing her.... and you're chasing him....who's chasing you?? - NO -ONE!"  It's so sad :(

Throughout so much of our marriage, both before his coming out to me, and after, I was quick to accept the belief that 'I' was the problem, and 'I' was a mess, and 'I' needed to be 'fixed'.  So, I went to counseling a few different times, but because of my totally rosie and peachy childhood, (I'm serious, it really was - my brothers and sisters experienced it as well, and even my husband soon realized it, and agrees that it's true) there was just no one big skeleton in my closet to be discovered by my shrink of the day.  Well, who knew.... that the skeleton was not in 'my closet', it was in my husband's 'closet' instead.  As a matter of fact,  my husband, himself,  WAS in the 'closet'.

But hey!,... I was not free from issues, I'm sure nobody is, and, I did find out, through therapy, that I had rejection issues, I was co-dependant, and I had some very well hidden low self-esteem.   Even my near perfect childhood, and my amazingly wonderful parents, still couldn't save me from some dysfunction and MY issues (which were all determined to be caused by people 'outside' of my happy home - ie: childhood friends, boyfriends, and even neighbors, and just me - myself - and 'I').  It seems that no matter how hard we try, life just HAS to sometimes be hard, and we all have to deal with 'something' along the way.  I'm actually grateful for my trials, and I sincerely believe they all have and continue to, help me grow.  I am surely a better person because of  the hardships and storms.  Of course, our Heavenly Father knows that it's through our trials we will grow and so he often allows the storms in our lives to rage.

Speaking of RAGE.... let me tell a little about my internalized anger, my lack of ability to express anger, and my passive/aggressive behavior, that I am just recently willing to acknowledge, and learning to understand.  I have always been an emotional person, but I have emphatically preferred the emotion of 'happy', so I did whatever it takes to be happy, appear happy, keep everybody happy, and, like the song says, "Put on a Happy Face"! 

There is, however, a problem with such high expectations of such extreme happiness and positivity, - the reality of discouragement, discontentment, disbelief, and disappointment (which is inevitable in life) just simply has to come out somewhere, somehow.  For me, it was through some deep and often hidden underlying depression, obsessive shopping and eating, and secretly holding grudges and storing ammunition against others (so that when they hurt me, I'd have some real concrete truths about their weaknesses and faults to shoot at them to prove that 'I'm right' - and 'they're wrong').

I am not proud of my sly tactics, and I certainly didn't even realize what a fierce warrior I was until recently, because, until recently,  I just usually survived on the thoughts that I was picked on, mistreated, disrespected, and none of it was 'fair' - cause I was 'such a good person', and I was just trying my best to keep the peace.  Blah blah blah....  Remember, I want everybody just to be happy and nice and kind and loving and patient and helpful and obedient and good, and pay attention to me...  Is that tooo much to ask? lol  (sarcasm - can you tell?)  Speaking of rage - can you feel my rage even now?  I'm assuming you can, cause I'm feeling it,... I think it's because of my embarrassment about my weaknesses, and I really don't know now to handle it, still, to this very day.  (where is that therapist, Josh Weed, when I need him? - lol ! )

I do continue to hope and believe that I'm not too terrible of a person, and that I do have alot of good qualities, talents, and strengths.  I insist that, throughout all the 'hell',  I did truly try to be genuinely patient and forgiving and lovable for real.  And, I think that I sincerely did accomplish this alot of the time, but I must confess that there were definitely a lot of times when the dysfunction in our home was possibly more because of MY issues and weaknesses than because of  my husband's.  Yes, he was definitely 'missing in action' and 'not plugged in' to the family and our marriage and our life back then.  But I WAS there, I WAS the one 'with' the kids, I WAS the example in front of their faces, and I WAS, definitely, and often AN EMOTIONAL MESS.

At the time, I believed I was just doing the best that I could, under the circumstances, but I realize now how unacceptable that was, and my heart breaks for my children and the tension they must have felt, and especially the lack of loving attention they desperately needed and truly deserved.   Actually, some of those years literally seem like a blur to me now.  I was usually NOT the fun, silly, lovable Mom that I always really wanted to be.  I think sometimes I would 'fake it' as best I could, but I'm guessing that my children probably sensed the lack of 'realness' and were probably emotionally damaged as they missed out on alot of the strength, support, affirmation,  love, and comfort that they needed from me.

I know that I was often very sad, and that I did a lot of crying.  I'm sure our children sensed our disagreements, even though we learned to keep the conflict away from the kids, and got really good at NOT yelling, etc. in front of them.  In the earlier years, however, we did just 'get into it' whenever and where ever the tension blew. (ps -not over the 'secret' issue, - but about everything else, stupid things mostly).  It seems that we disagreed about so many unimportant things, (which I won't even begin to name) but a big one seemed to be -what to eat, how to cook it, and if it was 'tasty' enough.   This mealtime drama made me hate to cook.

So,  I didn't really enjoy cooking, (still don't), and so, this very important part of motherhood, cooking and mealtime, which should have been a fun, special, nurturing time with my children, was just a burden and a trial a lot of the time.  This especially makes me terribly sad because I know the truth of how important mealtime and healthy meals really is in a child's life and development.  Now, I am very health conscious, have learned lots about nutrition, and I currently eat very healthy.  I hope that now, and in the future, I can be a much better example to my family, in hopes that I can undo some of the damage that was done in this department.

Sorry - I know this is turning out to be REALLY LONG - and I don't blame you if you quite reading - but the following confessions are necessary and very real, and I must finish what I've started - I'm not really even sure why, I just must...

I'm very embarrassed to admit that several times I obsessively followed my husband, I literally stalked him, hoping to 'catch' him, I really don't know why - maybe to prove to myself what I basically already knew, or maybe to have ammunition against him, or maybe to humiliate him.  (maybe all of the above)  Anyway, I eventually realized that it was stupid, and that it was damaging to me and my soul, so I confessed to him and committed to never do it again.   But,... I still did, a couple of times, again.

Since I was the money manager, although I rarely spent our 'bill' money, and we have always paid our bills, our tithing,  and had the groceries, and gas, etc. that we needed, I did often spend the 'extra' money we occasionally acquired here and there, instead of doing what I really should have done with it, save it, or use it for college, or emergencies, or family vacations or trips, (although I don't think that back then my husband was even into taking 'family' trips anyway, as he just liked to 'take off' on his own).   Instead, I shopped (for bargains, yard sale finds, etc. which were mostly always for the kids and our home - sometimes for 'things' just for me - but mostly, it was all 'just stuff'!!), but back then, I think that deep inside, I often felt that "I deserved it", maybe as some sort of  'payback' for the hell my husband was putting me through, which I'm sure was a form of passive/aggressive behavior - not good.

I remember how, for probably the first half of our marriage, my husband would demand and insist that we worked out all the money HE 'needed' for his hobbies (hunting, fishing, boating, etc.) and it made budgeting and managing the money literally impossible for me.  I hated to tell him 'no' or tell the truth that we just didn't have it, so I twisted and tweaked and finagled as best as I could most of the time.

Then, eventually, somewhere along the way, I put my foot down, I prepared a bunch of charts showing how much 'HE' spent on HIS fun (compared to how much 'I' spent, on MY fun - which I pointed out was so much less than him, usually my fun was buying stuff for the house and the kids), and I established a strict budget, and he eventually had to get a second job to pay for HIS FUN, while I used 'some' of the money I made, from my job, for my fun, (I still paid for the gas & groceries & other household bills from my income) but, I confess, that usually I felt picked on and was upset because I had to help with the finances by working, outside the home.

 I believed that my #1 and most important 'job' was that of being a wife/mother/homemaker, and I always felt like I was NOT a good mom, wife, and homemaker, because I was burdened with having to have 'job'.  The stupid reality of this, that I think is important to share, is that if both of us would have been working together as a team (instead of this 'it's all about me' attitude that we each had) we both could have, and probably would have sacrifices much of our 'spending' and 'fun' money, so we could have done great things with it, and I could have probably not had to work, and therefore, been a better mother, etc.   I'm ashamed of this fact, it's hard to admit, but I must take the steps necessary to change this behavior as, I still to this day, find myself caught up in 'spending' too much money, when/IF, there's extra money available to be spend.  

I tell some of these issues, such as financial, etc. because it is interesting and wonderful that once we began working together, healing our issues, and most importantly included God and the gospel as #1 in our lives, it's like the fog was lifted, and we could see so many of the things we had done and were doing wrong, and, even greater was that we are able to admit the dysfunction, our weaknesses, our errors, and not hold grudges, just heal and move on.  It's a wonderful and freeing feeling, and one of the greatest blessings of true love.

About 12-13 years ago I became addicted to 'chatting online'.  My husband was gone alot, and I was quite entertained by chatting with all kinds of people online.  At first it was just a great outlet for me, stuck at home with kids, lonely, a great typist, and a 'writer'... but, eventually, I found myself having inappropriate conversations with men (actually, for all I know they were 12 yr old kids in their parents basements, or 60 yr old perverts, or middle aged lesbians (no offense Tammy ;).  Anyway, one thing led to another, and before I knew it I was meeting a guy in a different town, and ended up in his motel room.... (STUPID STUPID STUPID - I'm probably lucky to be alive).  I talked with him on the phone quite a bit and we met a couple of times (basically nothing happened except 'making out' - I'm so sorry and humiliated that my children have to hear this, but the truths need to be told).  All it took was a 'close call' and I snapped back to my senses.  I immediately told my husband, who was extremely great and forgiving about it  - and I went right to my Bishop, went through a repentance process, and had an amazing experience of the magic of forgiveness and the depth of God's wonderful love.  (btw - I did not do this as 'payback', it was just literally about me and my loneliness, and I let myself get swept away - even after all that my husband had done, and all the hurt he caused me, I still felt terrible to have hurt him like I did).

I think that one of the worst things I did back then, (from the time my husband came out to me, until he went to the Bishop), was that I let my mind become consumed with thoughts of being 'a victim' way too much of the time.  I did have alot of times of feeling strong and committed and faithful.  But too much of the time I got caught up in self loathing, and I imagined how amazed people would be if they knew the truth of what 'hell' I was living.  I spent so much time on my 'pitty pot', when I could have just as easily have been positive and productive and moving forward, in caring for my family, and even in taking better care of myself.  This kind of thought process and behavior is extremely damaging to the heart, mind, and soul - and, I think, for me anyway, is one of Satan's most evil and damaging tools.

I remember how Mr. IDM had somehow established that no matter how bad 'my' life and heartaches were, 'HIS' were worse.    I don't think he was aware of his extreme lack of compassion towards me (even though he absolutely knew I was hurting, he also felt completely responsible, but was somehow unable to care enough to do anything about it).  His own self hatred, and selfish behaviors, made it impossible for him to see that 'I' had issues too.  I occasionally tried to make him see that everything wasn't ALL ABOUT HIM, that I had realized I had issues from childhood, and that all my problems were not because of him,... but he just didn't and couldn't seem to see that.  I actually wanted to set him free from some of the guilt by explaining to him about my personal issues and troubles that I knew existed even before I met him.  It never worked, he didn't believe it, and, he seemed determined to take all the blame.  This was not good for him, and it was not good for me either.  I literally 'wanted' to be acknowledged as a person with 'my own' trials and personal struggles, and enough value to be understood and cared for as well.

Well now, I can say that I AM acknowledged, I AM affirmed, I AM cared for and truly loved for who I am.   I am amazed how,  throughout the past few years,  my husband has changed his attitude towards himself and his attitude toward me.  I am actually overwhelmed at the immediate change that occurred in him when he repented.  He almost instantly was filled with compassion towards me, understanding of 'my' issues, and a genuine desire and effort to help me, be there for me, be my soft place to fall, and help me heal 'my stuff' as he worked to heal 'his stuff'.  It suddenly became all about togetherness, unselfishness, learning together, growing together, becoming best friends, better lovers, better parents, and closer to God as a team, with a shared commitment and purpose to live the gospel of Jesus Christ, and to love each other more fully, more deeply, sincerely and completely.  All of these wonderful and beautiful changes in our relationship happened almost immediately, and since then, they have all just continued to grow stronger and more fulfilling each day.  It absolutely feels like, and I believe IS, literally a miracle.

It seems that although my husband 'does' still have to deal with 'the storm' in his life, (which is his same sex attraction, but certainly to a much lesser degree than it used to be, since now, it is just a minor issue of bothersome thoughts, that he has learned to control)),  and, God does calm His child (my husband), .....

for me, God HAS calmed the storm, and  I am so very grateful, and thankful, and humbled, to be so very blessed.









32 comments:

  1. Thank you so much Mrs I Define Me for all this. It gives me so many thoughts and I recognice myself in many ways. I just recently came across the definition Highly Sensitive Person, HSP, and that was me!! You sound so much like me, so maybe you are a HSP too? It feels so good to know that there are others like me out there. Read about it! Hugs!

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  2. wow.. thank you for your courage in baring your weaknesses and sharing your story. There are so many things that are insightful and yet are so totally never talked about, that SHOULD be talked about. About marriage in general and not just with same sex attraction. Thank you.

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  3. (Mrs. IDM here) - Thanks Monica and liesel. I sure do appreciate your thoughtful and kind comments. We hope you'll continue to follow our blog as we are planning some things that we hope will be positive and inspirational (now that we've got the yucky stuff out of the way);)

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  4. Urrrgggg - I had a whole comment typed out and LOST IT!! Guess the Universe took my computer, shook it like it was an Etch-A-Sketch and said, "No, no, no Start over."

    If I lose this again I wasn't meant to post. If it goes through this time then I'm on the mark! :-D

    I have comments and questions that I'd like to share. Please know that none of this comes from an attacking place so please let me know if it sounds that way.

    First: Online chatting - OMG, that was YOU?? I'm so embarrassed now.... ;-) --To be clear, this is a joke. I can see it now, going viral: "Did you hear that one of the mormon straight women in a MOR had an online affair with an out non-mormon lesbian???" Can't wait to see that website that comes out. www.mormonsandstraightwomenhavingonlineaffairswithlesbians.org. LOL ;-D But I digress...and think I'm funnier before I have another cup of coffee....that may change once I wake up more.

    Anywho -

    I don't think it was stupid of you to not jump to your husband being gay when he told you he had wondered in his teens if he was. I've had a number of friends that went through that and ended up straight as an arrow. Cut yourself some slack. I wouldn't have jumped their either and I'm "a gay". ;-)

    I'm sorry that people have such a negative view of masturbation since it is a normal part of sexuality. I hope culture changes to see that and a lot of the guilt we put on our kids is lifted. Obsession and addictive behaviors is one thing, a natural sexual response is quite another. But, as long as the individual has a negative view of it, the normal act will never be a good experience. I remember my mom telling me stories of her friends being raised to think that sex was dirty and bad and a "necessary evil" in marriage. Those women never enjoyed sex with their spouses because of being raised in that belief. Hopefully we have very few if any women still being raised that way. I see masturbation the same way.

    You said,
    "Just a side note here - I remember a time when I felt most in control of my life, and although, at that time, I was lonely, a single mom, and desperate to feel valued and loved, but, I still recall great clarity and purpose and a sense of well being even through my trials and pain. It was when Mr. IDM was serving his mission,"
    It says you were a single mom. Was that when he was on his mission or you were remembering when you were a single mom about the time he was on his mission?
    (continued in next post)

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      *BTW this is the first time I’ve had to break out my comments! Whoohoo!!
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      I think this comment is pivotal!
      "BUT... there was just this little glimmer of 'something missing'" Your further descriptions of trying to fill that void with shopping, pleading with your husband, emotional outburst, online chatting etc is classic. I'm glad that you now feel fulfilled.

      You went into a lot of detail about what you see as character flaws in yourself but didn't really go into how his actions made you feel. It sounds more like you are trying to "blame" (not the right word) the negative atmosphere on how you handled it perhaps more than it should be. How did you find out when he had his indiscretions? Did he fess up when they happened or where there stories collected and told in bulk. How did it make you feel? How did it change how you viewed him? Were you still having sex with him knowing he had been with these random men? Did you ask if he was using protection? Did you ever think about what he had done when you were having sex with him?

      Girl - I would have totally followed him too! Not the most enlightened thing, I know, but yeah....I would have done it...or gone with you! We'd been like Cagney and Lacey!

      And BTW - you were a victim. Totally. Now if you feel like you played the victim card too often that's one thing, but there's no denying you were the victim. I know, for me, if I allow myself to stay in that victim position I am not only angry at my victimizer, but I also get to the point where I'm angry with myself for staying in that position. You stated you didn't leave because you felt that God didn't want you to, so that may have relieved you from that experience of self chastisement for not thinking better of yourself to get out of that situation. If so, I'm glad for that because that's not a good feeling.

      I'm glad you are both in a better place now. I'm sorry you had to go through that - I wouldn't of wanted to be either of you in that situation. I hope there isn't any lasting damage to either of you or your kids. I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason and that there is a reason for this.

      Thanks for sharing.

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  5. That was a very insightful post mom.
    I think it is one of the most courageous things for people is to take a look at their own imperfections and attempt to rectify them.

    I do feel that much of what you say about your victim mentality was true; I do understand though why you were unable to get past it for so long, because you were a victim for so long. A silent victim. You were unable to share your torment with people around you. What a noble person you are to care more about the one who was victimizing you (dad) and the hell he was going through. Instead of “running through the streets screaming” about a man who was victimizing you, the importance of your family and your acute awareness of dads obvious warm and loving soul, you held the frayed lifeline we had together.

    Its sad to say that my mom took most of the blame, and much of the fall for the dysfunction we had throughout part of our life. Her victimized emotional outbursts had us kids up in arms. We could not determine why in the world our mom was having a constant pitty party for herself and expected us to join in with ZERO knowledge of why or who or what was causing this mentality. It is hard to think about the view I had of my mom before I found out about my dad and their struggles within their marriage. I will be posting about this soon.

    I also want to give my opinion about masturbation. I do not agree that masturbation, as a whole is wrong, or bad. I think it is a very natural part of discovery with an individual’s sexuality. There have been many studies conducted and when a child is shamed or feels shameful of this type of innocent activity or “phase” (within a certain age range); the outcome can cause an array of self-deprecating feelings and internal negativity that is sad and unnecessary which includes becoming fixated or obsessed with it later in life. I do agree that at a certain age, to still be fixated, or obsessed with this act is detrimental to a normal functioning healthy life. When in a committed relationship, I believe it does become something selfish that can take away from the importance of honesty, real romance and selfless love within the relationship. Just my opinion ;-)

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      I wanted to weigh in on the conversation about masturbation. It's a tough issue in my mind, because both sides are right. I agree completely that demonizing the issue and never discussing it openly causes more damage than good. Currently, especially in the LDS culture, masturbation is a bit of a taboo; a no-no subject that never is talked about candidly, and, consequently youth who are masturbating feel too ashamed to talk about it, and suffer many of the negative consequences that Jr. talked about. That needs to change. The issue needs to be humanized, not demonized.

      However, I do think that masturbation is not a healthy thing, and just because it is "normal" doesn't make it okay. I think it is entirely appropriate for the practice to be discouraged. I won't make myself out to be the perfect little Mormon boy that never did anything wrong, I had problems with that issue myself in past years. But I always knew it was wrong, even without being told so, and I wish wholeheartedly that I had never indulged in it. Indulgence in masturbation caused my feelings to become sexualized much too early, and warped my perception of what sexuality really is. Well, I suppose I'm still somewhat ignorant about that because I am not married and am still a virgin, but maturity has helped me to realize the damage that masturbation did to my perception of sexuality from an early age. Since the issue is so taboo among us, as an adolescent I was too ashamed to seek help or counsel from my parents or my bishop, and that was very detrimental to me, both spiritually and emotionally. Side note: masturbation may be reasonably common in young people, but it is by no means universal or unavoidable. I have discussed this issue with various friends who told me in all seriousness, and I feel pretty confident that they were telling the truth, that they never once masturbated.

      Anyway, I suppose all that I'm trying to say is that I agree with parts of what you all have said. Perception of masturbation does need to change, and there needs to be more openness, so that young people can feel more confident in talking about and seeking help with this issue. But it is a damaging practice that young people should be discouraged from, in constructive ways.

      Okay, two cents added. I love you all!

      PS Mrs. IDM, you're a strong woman, thank you for sharing your story here. That takes courage. *hug*

      PPS Tammy, your comments almost without fail make me literally laugh out loud. You rock. :)

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    2. Unknown,

      I do enjoy reading everything you post here and on your blog.

      I must also say Every single comment Tammy posts to your blog Unknown, (I am looking and smiling right at Tammy now) warms my heart, and fills me with humility. Tammy you are a wonderful example of love and kindness and the maternal presence I wish more women had.

      I do want to clarify some of my above comments on masturbation. The "phase" or certain age range I am talking about is age 3-6 or so. It is very natural and very common in children this age to discover the "good feelings" the genitals are attached to. I have been very involved with children for most of my teenage and adult life, and I am very interested in, and have had some schooling in child psychology. This "phase" is called the Phallic stage of development and is accompanied by a number of other very common "developmental stages" throughout the first few years of life.

      I have been very involved with multiple children through working in daycare centers since I was about 15 and even running my own for a time, so I am very accustomed to the stages of development within those years. The Phallic stage consistently happens in the majority of both female and male 3-6 year olds, where they become fascinated with their genitals. I personally feel that many parents do not know this, or at least before recently did not know this and were under the impression that this was not normal and would shame their little children, who don’t understand about it at all and wont for a long time, which associates a huge confusion with a natural feeling and a good feeling, with shame and bad feelings and individual wrong doing. The parents maybe do not understand how to speak with their children about it, like saying,
      "This is not ok because you can have dirty hands which can then make you sick.”
      Just like we tell them,
      “Do not put your dirty hands in your mouth, you can get sick."
      In addition, it is beneficial to acknowledge,
      " I know it feels good...but you should not do this in front of people, because no one is supposed to see your private parts.", as part of a discussion for a larger issue, privacy and personal protection.

      These are forms of discouragement so as not to shame the act itself or the individuals enjoyment of the act, but it is an age appropriate and honest way to discourage this behavior.

      Parents or adults, as a majority may be passing their own guilt, or shame from adult experiences to their children, who are innocent and then the self-internalized negatives are instilled and sometimes (<--- sometimes) an unhealthy and harmful behavior can evolve throughout childhood and even throughout much of adulthood. Allegedly, not always, sometimes, but substantiated.

      It may be the people you know who never (remember) or never did actually masturbate where ones that had parents who, during that young explorative phase, diverted the actions in a healthy and non-negative way. I know a few too who have not engaged in masturbation, some identify as Asexual (experiencing no sexual urges or feelings, even romantically) and so the urge never arose, and others have different reasons.

      After, I feel maybe age 8 (age of accountability in LDS standards) is where to educate the child that this act can be detrimental to them in other ways (time consuming, thought consuming, not pleasing to the lord). Then at an older age within the puberty and sex talks, you may include that masturbation can be harmful to seeking and being in relationships, and cause disassociation to realistic and healthy views of sex and marriage, and reiterate the other reasons as well.

      I do believe most of these topics are LARGLY neglected by parents, leaders, and confidants within a maturing young persons life. Gay or straight or Asexual ;-)



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  6. (Mrs. IDM here)

    Tammy - thank you for your interest and for your thoughtful and respectful questions. As I was beginning to answer your questions this morning, I realized that so much of what I was writing was similar, and even the same, as the things I've been writing for a future post that I've been working on. So, if you don't mind, I'm going to 'put you on hold' for a bit, and I will finish that post soon and be sure to answer your questions through that. OK? - THX! :)

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  7. (Mrs. IDM here) - Thanks to you all for your great comments and excellent insights. It seems that there is alot of interest and conversation regarding the issue of masturbation and I would like to add a few thoughts of my own.

    First, I'm thinking that my comments about masturbation may have been a little misunderstood, (even when I'm blong winded, I can't exactly get my message across as I would like)so I would like to ask anyone who is still interested and willing to read these few statements below, regarding 'ME' and 'MY' humble and personal feelings, and then go back to my post (first few paragraphs) and read it all again with hopefully a more clearer perspective of what I was actually saying (about ME).

    1. All of what I wrote regarding masturbation was just about me and my experiences, feelings, and beliefs, etc. NOT, in any way, attempting to project my thoughts/feelings as 'right' or 'wrong', for anyone else. And, no expectation that others 'should' feel the way I do (or did).

    2. Actually, I purposely pointed out that it was no ones 'fault' - I discovered it 'naturally', like 'most children probably do', that it took alot of time (probably natural) until I discovered the "end result".... which was THEN that I felt an 'instinct' (subtle thoughts/feelings)that it was 'wrong' FOR ME. And in God's sight (for me - I realize that everyone has a different relationship with God, and I absolutely know that there are people who NEVER feel that it's 'wrong' for them and I don't judge them in any way).

    3. Still, although I felt an 'instinct' (subtle thoughts & feelings) to stop, I was not compelled to completely 'stop' until I realized that IT HAD BECOME detrimental to 'MY' soul. (A personal discovery for me, in my life - not a declaration to all.) :)

    4. Also, when I did decided, FOR MYSELF, that I desired to take control and abstain, I had absolutely no 'religious' feelings or information regarding this at the time - but there was a strong PERSONAL & 'SPIRITUAL' (between me and God) reasons that compelled me to eliminate 'it' from my life, just for MY sake.

    5. I also have, through the years, determined that I am highly sensitive to sugar and I have quit 'cold turkey' (that's hell) several times. I am extremely aware of the negative side effects I get from sugar, and I try to avoid eating it most of the time, and when I start indulging in it again, I am reminded how it makes me feel (in the end), and I don't like it, even though I love the way it makes me feel while I'm eating it. (It's just an analogy though - hopefully no one will get all deep & offended and twist my analogy all around - you know what I'm sayin - right? ! ) ;)

    BTW - I also believe that God definitely intervened in my life to help me see and realize that sugar was reeking havoc with my body, and even my mind, emotions, etc. (Seriously - for me.....sugar is poison - but if you like it and it doesn't bother you, go for it, bring on the Mud Pie) :D

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    1. 6. I also mentioned that, although I had a GREAT experience with getting MY masturbation under control, I did not pressure my husband about this, or 'expect' him to abstain.

      I did however, feel personally a little hurt whenever I knew that he had or was choosing 'a party with himself' over 'having sex with me' (because we did have great sex and I was usually 'game'). Now, if a guy has a wife who is never 'in the mood', I could see that he'd probably find it a great relief.

      And, after Mr. IDM decided (for himself and as a part of his repentance process) to abstain, he has also had AMAZING AND WONDERFUL results from abstaining. I absolutely can tell a difference, and he is telling me (and I experience it with him)that he is experiencing better sex than anytime, ever in his life.

      7. I know it's a personal thing - and I know that for many it's not a problem - and I know that it can be complicated - and I know that 'to some degree' it's 'normal' (especially in children), and I know that it can be a touchy subject (especially for those who are 'passionate' about it ;)

      And, seriously, please know that I (we) are not preaching, judging, or assuming.

      So,... the bottom line, as far as my 'message' to my readers is this......

      (and I say this with all due kindness, love and respect, and admitting the truth that we DO sorta believe we know something, that has worked great for us, that we would like, (through our blog), to share with anyone interested and receptive)

      "Regarding abstinence from masturbation as a way of improving your life, especially your sex life...

      DON'T KNOCK IT TILL YOU'VE TRIED IT." :D

      Luv U all

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    2. "Don't knock it till you try it ."

      It = masturbation or It = abstinence? ;-)

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    3. "Regarding abstinence from masturbation as a way of improving your life, especially your sex life...

      Abstinence (smarty pants!) ;) :D

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    4. (Mrs. IDM here)

      I'm feeling kinda bad that I put my last statement above in 'caps' as I realized now that it looks like I'm yelling; my intent was just to emphasize the 'bottom line', but in a gentle way, and I tried to edit it but I'd have to delete the whole thing, so here's my edit...

      it should read more like a whisper (instead of a yell)

      ~~~~"don't knock it till you've tried it"~~~~ :)

      Also, I just wanted to mention that there's a great post about the subject of masturbation on the Northern Lights Blog - if anyone is interested.

      http://northstarlds.org/blog/2013/01/i-have-a-very-hard-time-telling-you-about-my-addiction-but-i-think-its-important/#more-2313

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    5. Seems to me (much like the topic of being gay) that the act of masturbation (or living a gay life) isn't the issue but rather the perceptions and feelings around it.

      http://men.webmd.com/guide/masturbation-5-things-you-didnt-know

      Any activity can be turned into something negative and detrimental to a relationship. I know women who lose themselves in books - they take away that time from their spouses, live in a fantasy world, and become dissatisfied with their lives. Once they emerge from their book reading obsession and work more on their marriage, things change. It doesn't mean she should never read. It means she shouldn't be reading for the wrong reasons.

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    6. I think it could be equated also to drinking alcohol. Many people drink occasionally, or socially. Some drink uncontrollably. Having a glass of wine or beer to many people is a normal, casual thing. Everyone is aware that too much too often turns this into a bad thing, and alcoholism, as some of us know personally, is devastating.

      The difference is simply in the view the LDS church takes on either matter. Drinking alcohol along with masturbation is something that in access becomes unhealthy and detrimental to individuals and loved ones, so abstinence is recommended within the standards of the church.

      Many LDS individuals break these standards. Many people do not. We have free agency as members of the LDS religion. The recommended standards are there to help us become closer to our Heavenly Father and to feel enlightenment within our testimony of the Gospel. I feel in a way it is comparable to Hindu monks. They choose to fast for long periods for spiritual enlightenment and to show control and humility. We fast one Sunday a month. They vow silence, and abstinence from so many things to reach a state of nirvana and open themselves up to the flow of life around them. They choose to do these things because they know how much better they feel physically, spiritually, mentally etc.

      LDS members try to follow the standards for the same reasons. So if we believe our Gospel then we try to follow the standards, and many people think it is peculiar that we do not do so much that is considered “normal” in society.

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    7. I get what you're saying but the difference between LDS teachings and being a monk is they do not become silent because it is against Gods will to speak. They had not been brought up being taught that talking was of satan and displeasing to God. There is a HUGE difference.

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    8. (Mrs. IDM here)

      Tammy, please don't take this to be 'snarky' (whatever that means ;) but, I am genuinely asking if I understand you correctly.

      So, do you 'approve' of people choosing to sacrifice 'things' (whatever it may be), and/or abstaining from 'whatever' they choose - as long as their reasons are not related to their beliefs in God?

      Also, if a monk chooses to abstain from masturbation because he believes it is not pleasing in God's sight - you have a problem with that?

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    9. Tammy you can read a book in public. Personally I wouldn't masturbate in public. That's also a HUGE difference.

      It is dis-pleasing to God because it causes interference with your relationship with him, and it can cause interference with your mortal relationships as well. Like alcohol causes interference with your motor skills and judgements.

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    10. I actually don't have a "problem" with any of it. The thing I think we all need to be more aware of is not to raise our kinds to decide what is right or wrong (for them) based on how pleased or displeased it makes someone else. It doesn't matter if that person is a parent, a spouse, a best friend. People know what resinates within themselves and can take enjoyment from things others have labled as wrong and then walk down the path of self condemnation based on other peoples perceptions.

      Your example about sugar was a great one. You realized how bad it was for you, you finally recognized it and listened to your body. I support that. But, I would be very concerned if you gave it up because all you heard in your head was your mother telling you it was going to rot your teeth out. You then didn't give it up for you, you gave it up to stop the negative beating of someones elses drum in your head.

      Does that make sense? Do it, don't do it, whatever. But I think the demonizing of nature needs to stop.

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  8. Jr, I guess I'm being really dense here because I cannot possibly imagine how healthy sexuality can cause interference with God or with your partner. Unhealthy, sure. But abstinence does not = healthy.

    But, if the person feels their only "healthy" option is abstinence, then I guess that is their only choice to feel fulfilled in that area. What I'm saying is the reasons behind that are important. I think emotional health is important.

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  9. It is just our belief. We don't expect others to abide, or believe.

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      I think I get it, Tammy, I don't know how much you know about 'our' beliefs and how they are established, but it seems that you are under the assumption that our doctrine and teachings are 'drilled' into our heads. Actually, the Gospel of Jesus Christ that we subscribe to completely and whole heartedly encourages individual study, research, thoughtful meditation, personal prayer to establish one's personal relationship with God, etc. The amazing thing, that you might not understand, is that when a person truly commits to the gospel and the doctrine, after such study/prayer, etc., it is certain that they do it because they believe for themselves the teachings are best for them. When this is not the case - they usually leave the church to search for something that they can relate to for their individual lives. So, therefore, those of us who are striving (and definitely not perfectly) to live the closest we can to the teachings/doctrine, are doing it because of strong PERSONAL & INDIVIDUAL TESTIMONY and A REAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

      Some may, for a time, follow the doctrine, just because it's their family's way of life, etc. but ultimately EVERYONE MUST DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES, and everything about our religion encourages individuals to seek their OWN TESTIMONY AND RELY ON THEIR OWN HEART, MIND, AND SOUL.

      Although I was raised in an 'Mormon' family, I was never 'expected' to attend church, and I always knew that my spirituality was a PERSONAL thing. My parents did encourage me to decide what is right and wrong for myself. My mother actually attended a whole lot of different churches through out her childhood and made it clear that we were completely free to do the same. As a matter of fact, she listened to and loved all kinds of gospel music, and always said that she believed there was some good in most every church. BTW - neither my mother, father, grandparents, church lessons, church leaders, general conference, primary, NO ONE and NO THING on this earth ever said a word to me about 'masturbation' (whether it was good or bad). I'm telling you, and testify to you that I know my instincts that it was a bad thing for me came from my Heavenly Father. I know that I am happier and healthier without this activity in my life.

      I know that many are passionate about this subject, but I understand it's a very personal thing, so I don't understand why those who DO are so bothered by those who DON'T.

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  10. I agree about demonizing. That needs to stop. Humanize (is that a word?) It and love unconditionally.

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    1. I'm wondering 'who' is demonizing it anyway? I think that my original comments were clearly 'humanizing' it.

      I also experienced, when I went to an LDS Institute teacher for help, it was absolutely NOT Demonized at all. He talked about it in a very human and real and normal way, but understood my desire to eliminate it from my life, and he gently and kindly and lovingly helped me.

      Again, it appears to me that those who are bothered by the fact that some of us choose to abstain are the one's throwing out the word 'demonizing'. I'm just sayin.... :)

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    2. I am one of the people calling for it to stop being demonized. I do not advocate for or against "doing it". I do advocate against the emotional abuse that has been inflicted on others over it. I do not blame religion, I put the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the influencer (who ever and what ever that may be) that twists it into something so negative that one "must abstain". Making that decision should not come from a negative, torturous place. I'm not speaking to your situation specifically, And I think we are all not ignorant to the scenerios I'm referencing.

      Do it. Don't do it. Just be healthy about it. .

      And as an outsider, your statement that you had run-ins with satan through masturbation sure sounds like demonizing to me. But, perhaps I just don't understand the lingo?

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    3. Also, Tammy, you know I appreciate your comments and your genuine interest to understand. You wrote that abstinence does not = healthy, I think that I have made it clear that, for me, abstinence DOES = healthy. That doesn't mean that I'm preaching the opposite (endulging = unhealthy) for others.

      I will say though, if anyone reading this is 'bothered' by their own experiences with masturbation, or feels like it's 'out of control', or wonders if it is interfering in their life or their sex life,...and/or if anyone reading this feels inclined or compelled to abstain (for whatever their reason), I suggest that they 'give it a try', put abstinence to the test, and just see if you feel a sense of relief and/or experience greater sexual satisfaction (IF you have a partner) after some reasonable amount of time. Possibly, you will feel sexually and emotionally 'healthier' like I do.

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    4. me again - one more thing, just to clerify....whenever I'm talking about "masturbation" - I'm talking about personal and alone, a personal party of one. I am not talking about whatever might happen 'behind closed doors' between two people in love. In that respect, I personally believe that all that is completely up to two consenting adults and what ever works for them, together, for the fulfillment of each, as long as everybody's happy, it's cool. ;) That's just my opinion :)

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  11. Having learned about all of this, I just wanted to say how much more I understand and love you both! I can't tell you how much it means to me to be able to openly communicate about such personal concerns, not because anyone needs to know your weaknesses, but because of your strength people who have these same struggles can have hope. (including me, in my own little ways!) I couldn't help but think of a saying I have heard, "be kind to everyone, for everyone is fighting a hard battle."
    I have always been such a cautious person when it comes to putting my heart out there for even loved ones to see, much less the whole world. Having struggled with my own insecurities and weaknesses, I feel like I can relate to you alot. The moments that I have reached out though, have been amazing. I remember talking with a therapist, and also one of my religious leaders about my own problem. I was so ashamed of myself, and I always felt like I would be disciplined severely and stripped of self-worth. I also got a completely different reaction than what I was expecting. I had spent years in self-hating because of my behavior. When I walked out of his office I realized that those feelings I was having were not bad, I was not bad, but the way I was trying to act out those feelings were bad. I would say that my religious beliefs had everything to do with feeling sorrow, and nothing to do with self-destruction. I don't believe that God ever wants us to belittle or hate ourselves or others for our/their weaknesses. I do believe that he wants us to become like him, and that means cleansing ourselves of all ungodliness. I also believe that as we do so, we become liberated and can then help others just like Mr & Mrs IDM! :) anyway, those are my thoughts. i love all the comments here too btw!

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  12. well i guess to clarify a little on the self-destruction, religion is a part of it in the sense that I also believe satan is real and will use self-hatred and destruction to keep a person down and vulnerable to repeat the mistake but not that our religion would teach us to feel so horrible and use self-destruction as motivation to repent.. if that makes sense?

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    1. Anonymous - (Mrs. IDM here) Thank you for your comments of understanding and love. And thank you for sharing your own personal feelings as well. So many of God's beautiful children struggle with insecurities and weaknesses, and sometimes it almost seems unfair, but as we learn more about ourselves, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and establish a close relationship with our Savior, it is amazing how much strength, confidence, and self worth we can develop. Life will always have trials and ups and downs, but I have found that I can manage it all so much better when I read scriptures daily, pray morning and night (and more), and try to think of and do for others. Learning to control my thoughts of self-pity, self-hatred, and low self esteem is often very difficult, but I know that I Am A Child Of God and that I have been blessed with His spirit to comfort and guide me and give me strength everyday to press on. I have also found great strength through watching the sunrise/sunset, walking, deep breathing, meditation, good music, and avoiding things that chase away the Holy Spirit.

      You are a very special person, I am sure, and Mr. IDM and I extend our love to you and appreciate your interest in our story. Hopefully you will continue reading as we are just getting to the GOOD parts, about Repentance, Forgiveness, Answered Prayers, and more. :)

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